Unlocking the The Healing Power of Energy Medicine for You and Your Pets with Dr. Barry Sands

Imagine the invisible bonds of energy that tie us to our pets, stretching beyond what the eye can see. Dr. Barry Sands joins us to unravel the complexities of these connections, infusing veterinary care with the fascinating principles of quantum physics. We explore how therapies involving sound, light, and homeopathy aren't just for the body—they're for the soul, aligning our vibrational states with those of our furry friends for a deeper, more profound healing experience.
My own pup, Chance, and I have journeyed through emotional health challenges side by side.  In this episode, we reflect on the intertwined destinies of humans and animals, considering how our own unresolved traumas can manifest in the pets who share our lives.
Sharing wisdom from the Institute of HeartMath and embracing teachings from thought leaders like Bruce Lipton and Joe Dispenza, we reveal how love, intuition, and synchronicity can guide us and our animal companions towards a harmonious existence.

Dr. Barrie Sands is a veterinarian, healer, educator, scientist, author, artist and speaker.

You can learn more about her work here :
https://www.drbarriesands.com/

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

Dogs make the best companions for humans. This podcast aims to help make humans better companions for their dogs. Welcome to the Baroo Podcast, a modern lifestyle podcast for dogs and their people. I'm your host, charlotte Bain. I've been caring for other people's dogs for more than 15 years and, while I've learned a lot in my career, I definitely don't know at all. So I've collected an ever-evolving roster of amazing dog people and I learn new things from them all the time. Hi you guys. Thank you so much for joining me for this episode of the Baroo Podcast.

Speaker 1: 0:49

Today is, in my opinion, a very special episode, and it may be one of my favorite chats so far. Dr Barry Sands joins us to talk about the energetic connection we have with our pets. Dr Sands is a veterinarian. She's a healer, an educator, a scientist, author, artist and a speaker. We chat about the scientific roots of energy medicine and she offers insights into how our vibrational states have the power to influence and heal not just ourselves but also our pets. We touch on the principles of quantum physics as well as the impact of emotional wellness in veterinary care. So let's just jump into this chat. Well, thanks you, too, for popping on. It's nice to see you again.

Speaker 1: 1:41

Dr Lindsay and Dr Sands, I am so thrilled to have you on to chat with me because you bring such value to pet parents, to the veterinary community, to really anything that has to do with our pets and our human wellness as well. You have a huge toolbox of tools that you can pull from. You've been in emergency room veterinarian for over 20 years and you also practice holistic medicine, and you also bring something very unique to the table, which is energy medicine, something that I'm fascinated by. I'm going to get all the terminology wrong throughout this whole conversation, so just bear with me, but I really want to focus on energy medicine today and the relationship that we have between ourselves and our pets in terms of the energetic connection that we have.

Speaker 1: 2:36

Would that be quantum physics? Like what is? Can you explain, first off, what energy medicine is? For those of us who, like, really either are have heard the term and are like poo, poo it a little bit, or whatever, it's not science-based, it's all for the woo-woo's. And to those of us who kind of have a little bit of an idea but we're not quite sure how do we categorize it? What do we do with it? You want to touch?

Speaker 2: 3:01

on that a little bit. Yeah, that's a great question. So I agree, there's this sort of stigma of energy medicine being sort of woo-woo and out there, but in essence, when you really have an understanding of what that means, it seems to be more of this. Oh yeah, of course this is how it is and it's the understanding of what energy really means. And there's many different ways, I think, of approaching the understanding. But if you simplify the equation that Einstein had, e equals MC squared, which means energy equals matter times the speed of light squared. So basically what that says is that energy is equal to matter and matter is energy, and so they're one and the same.

Speaker 2: 4:02

And when you think about energy medicine, everything in life is made up of energy at its fundamental units, from when you have a body, to an organ, to a molecule, to an atom, to the subatomic particles, and then the interrelationship between all those subatomic particles and how it's tapping into this global field of energy, which is not separate from any one thing. And I don't know if that makes sense, but that allows us to understand how the one is the everything, because we're all interconnected on this very, very, very small level. And it's when we take all these energy vibrations and frequencies, because everything in life has a vibration and a frequency and it's just a wave, and waves are energy and so it's in your body. It's the energy that drives the physics, the physics and the energy is what creates the biochemistry and the biochemistry creates the biology. So if you just take that big leap from the energy to the biology, it makes sense, because all of that is in between and the biology and the matter that we are is just a manifestation of the different types of frequencies and waves.

Speaker 2: 5:43

And I think when we approach our biology from a point of energy, you can heal the body with the energy, almost bypassing the biochemistry, right?

Speaker 2: 6:01

So when we have been taught in our Western medical indoctrination of how medicine works, is what we're taught, to treat symptoms with pharmaceuticals, which is chemistry.

Speaker 2: 6:17

So we're using chemistry to treat chemistry, the biochemistry in our bodies, but on the vibrational level, if we just bypass the biochemistry into the energy, you can treat that with vibrations and things like sound therapy or homeopathy is a way that works on that energetic level, and other vibrational therapies such as light. So basically light and sound, and then you have you know you're coming even more esoteric thoughts and emotions because that has frequencies and energy outputs, and so when we have this global understanding of that, we can that our biology is just this amalgamation of all of these different frequencies and our dis-ease is opposite to the harmony right. The word disease comes from dis-ease, which means that there is a dis-harmony in the system. Then you can realign it easy enough with just frequencies, adding in new frequencies, whether it new vibrations, new thought pratins, new emotions, new, you know, sound or light technology into that. It's quite magnificent when you start to really understand it. Is that too much?

Speaker 1: 7:51

No, no, that's fantastic. I mean, I've heard the term everything is energy and we are all energy. So that you know, when you think about in terms of everything is energy the foundation of everyone and everything is energy. That makes sense, right. How does that relate to and this might be a big leap, but how does that relate to the connection that we have with our animals and with our pets?

Speaker 2: 8:16

Yeah, so we know that energetically we can broadcast our thoughts, emotions, how we vibrate in the world. We have this around us. There's an energy field and everyone has different terminologies for the energy that's around us. You know, things like a biofield is an energy field that's around us and that's actually scientifically measured. There is a biofield that's measured outwardly from us at least nine feet and those studies have been done by the use of technology called magnetometers and they can study the fields that we emit and that's just a technology that we have designed so far that can measure it. But it's known to go out really really far, like some people can say that our fields go out at least 50 feet from us in all directions and that's yeah, and that's really no idea. It was that much. It can be really far, and people that are really sensitive they'll feel that when you're in their field you know like you're in my space and you can feel the intrusion of someone else's energy, and they may not even be that close to you. So you can feel that and so it's just becoming a little bit more aware of the subtle frequencies that are around us. When we start to become aware of that, then we'll start to feel that more and more. It's just something we have to learn.

Speaker 2: 9:58

Our animals are naturally able to go in that field and be with us and their energy fields are more open and expansive and welcoming. You know, they're just. I mean, think of a dog. They're all love, right, and they're all inclusive. And when it comes to the paired groups of, like an animal and the human that they chose, there's always seems to be one particular human in a family that, say, a dog will bond more to you know, energetically, whether it's the mom or the dad or the child, or obviously, if you're alone, and it's just a one-on-one pair, right, that's something in and of itself. But what I have found is and most people will know this intuitively that their dog and them are extremely connected. You know, my dog weeds my mind or he knows exactly what I'm thinking, you know, right, I mean, I like to think so yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:07

Yeah, and they, even if you are trying to hide your thoughts from your dog, they know it. Like, if you're getting prepared to go on a walk with your dog, right, you don't even have to. You could be doing something else, you could be feeding the cats or, you know, doing the mail, and your dog somehow knows that you thought about taking them on a walk and they already have their leash in their mouth. Or they're like at the tour and they're all excited. Yeah, right, they know it. And you're like no, I didn't think that, don't stop it, I'm not ready, you know.

Speaker 2: 11:44

But there is a. Because of the close relationship that we have with our animals, they pick up our energies and the easiest way that I think that manifests that people are aware of is when people have anxiety, right, when an anxious owner has an anxious dog, it's for the most part, you know, I don't. I think there are those dogs that are, you know, those therapy dogs that are made or trained to be more of the rocks and the stabilizers of the anxiety, right, and they have a way to offset that from them. But in the general world, you have a, you know, really high strung owner. There's going to be a high strung dog, and that energy also translates beyond just the emotional anxiety.

Speaker 2: 12:41

It translates into physical manifestations of disease and I've seen that many, many times. In fact, you know, even with Dr Lindsay I'm sure she can corroborate this. When you know, you ask veterinarians have you ever noticed that your patients have the same disease as the owners? I've never met one veterinarian that says no. Everybody says oh yeah, of course. And that's when I started saying, well, wait a minute. If we're all saying of course, what is this, that we're? What's happening here? There's this really strange phenomenon that's going beyond this physical world that we should have, we should understand, and the more I delved into it, the more fascinating it became.

Speaker 1: 13:32

I can share firsthand that my dog, chance, and I share so many of the same things and like just even down to like left hip issues, like you know, and we used to have like the same kind of gut issues, and my firsthand experience, I've done, I do something called Emotional Freedom Technique and I've been doing it for about five no gosh, it's been since 2015. And I have we really, like a few years ago, moved through some this goes into the emotions and, you know, traumas or whatever we've really moved through when, when working with the woman that I work with, through some of those, and I am telling you, I saw a shift in my dog. He suddenly became like he just like lighter and his health seemed to improve. He's pushing, he'll be 16 next week and he and this was around age I would say like 11 or 12. And I he started.

Speaker 1: 14:39

I really just saw the significant shift in him for the better. And when I think back on that, I think that when his veterinarians used to say like wow, he looks even better than he did when he was, you know, as he's aging, I think back on those shifts that I made with myself and there had to have been a connection there I just had. I can't I can't psych typically say how that happened, but there had to have been right. Maybe you can tell me if there's a scientific, you know reason for that.

Speaker 2: 15:10

So you know the, the, the working plausible explanation around, that is the interrelation between the biofields, right. So when there are frequencies that are being generated even in our own body, say, we'll talk about our own self and how a lot of us get our own diseases, there is mechanisms, epigenetic mechanisms, right. That where disease is an expression of a genetic code or a blueprint in in the, your DNA, to express a protein, right, that's how your body makes proteins. And if you're making inefficient proteins or things are going awry or there are mutations in the coding, then certain things happen in the cells, cells get wonky and then certain diseases show up. I mean, that's a sort of rudimentary explanation, but through these mechanisms of gene expression they are dictated by the, the certain energetic frequencies that we're exposing ourselves to. So if we kind of just think about, say, our psychosomatic emotions, right, there's a phenomenon where people, diseases are psychosomatic in expression, where you have a certain emotional trauma that's unmetabolized, that your body decides to put somewhere in your body to manifest as disease. Right. And I think this sort of understanding of how our disease manifests in our bodies is becoming more mainstream in conversation, because there's a lot more of psychosomatic work, you know, releasing your emotional traumas and then your body starts to feel better. And where in the body that it manifests is metaphorically, sometimes, you know, like people say, who have shoulder pain will have some emotional conflict about carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders. You know, and it's very, it's a very amazing thing to talk about. I don't think it's kind of within the scope of our conversation today, yeah. So, however, the mechanisms are kind of similar, right.

Speaker 2: 17:32

So we have this, these thoughts and these emotions that, when they're not in a coherent state or when they're in a negative emotional state, look of say, you know, fear, anger, resentment, judgment, intolerance, frustration, anger, depression, anxiety, like those kind of feelings. When they manifest in our bodies, it shows up in some sort of ailment, right? I mean, we know that when we can have GI disease, we can have chronic diarrhea, we can have skin issues and rashes and hypertension, right, all that stuff. And so now you take that and that is, and we have scientifically found that those emotions, of any emotions, but emotions of fear and anxiety and frustration, when it's put out in your biofield it has its own frequency that gets emitted and your animal is in your field because they want to, because they love you, because they're invested in everything about you, right? So that energetic frequency is going to be meshing with their field and their, the vibrations around. That is going to be picked up by their own genetic material, right, their own epigenetics, and so then there is perhaps an expression within themselves to create the same sort of phenomenon, based upon the frequencies that they're experiencing, which is kind of the same as yours, right? So then it has the same manifestation in their own bodies, right? So, say, it's like a hip problem or a heart arrhythmia.

Speaker 2: 19:28

I mean, I have seen such intimately connected diseases between the human and the animal to the point where they're sharing brain tumors or leukemia, or kidney tumors, cardiac arrhythmias, pericardial effusions, immune mediated diseases like platelet problems, like immune mediated thrombocytopenia, like the owner and the dog will have the same exact disease. And I've had clients say to me Dr Sands, do you think I gave my dog my disease? And I asked, I said, well, who is the dog bonded to? And this particular client said me. And I said, well, you didn't really give your dog the disease, but you guys are certainly entangled with that, and so, yeah, and so then my question has been if the bigger question was that. I know that in my experience, humans love their animals more than they love themselves. They will go beyond all sorts of means to make sure their animals are healthy, well to their own neglect. And so I was like, well, if humans knew how much of an impact that their health had on their animals, would they choose to take care of themselves better? And then we'd have this full circle wellness thing going on, and that's my goal, I think. Hopefully that's going to be a trend.

Speaker 2: 21:12

But yeah, there is definitely in the field of quantum physics and quantum medicine. That is where you can get these plausible explanations of how frequency can interact with the genetic expression of a manifestation of disease through the encoding of your DNA. And that's one explanation. There's another explanation that is also kind of very psychosomatic that I'm delving into currently, right now, and trying to make sense of it, and perhaps we could talk about that at a later time. But there's a definitely an interesting phenomenon on what's called biological decoding in humans, where you are really getting to the nitty gritty of why you have the emotional conflict and where that came from, and then when there's this aha moment, you can transmute that and dissolve the disease. It's almost like a spontaneous remission, and I think that's another mechanism of how we're sharing our conditions with our dogs and our cats, and some animals are more susceptible than others dogs much more than cats.

Speaker 1: 22:40

Interesting Is that in alignment with dealing with ancestral or generational trauma, is that like it's just kind of ingrained in our DNA? You're talking about the biological decoding.

Speaker 2: 22:54

Yeah, I'm so fascinated. Yeah, it could be. It goes generational. It could be from your mom, from your grandparents to their great grandparents and through lineages. I mean there are some that say you know seven generations back, you can have something that's carried into the lineage and you know it's. It's a different conversation than, like I'm a victim of my genealogy. You know, like, my grandmother has breast cancer, my mom has breast cancer, my sister has breast cancer, my aunt has breast cancer, so of course I'm going to get breast cancer and it's because we have the gene for it. But no, that's not the conversation, right? Just because you have a gene for something doesn't mean it's going to get expressed right. And so the expression of the gene is that epigenetic markers, and a lot of it is the belief, it's your belief, that you know everyone in my family has it. So of course I'm going to have it right. So of course you're going to have it. It just works that way, you know. So that's a. There's a lot to talk about with that. That's so fascinating.

Speaker 3: 24:11

I think one other thing that that brings to mind for me is the power of thought, and so I do a lot of which I've talked about before.

Speaker 3: 24:19

But I participate in a lot of end of life and transition work, and one of the things I have found that are such a simple on the surface but complicated aspect to integrate into that is staying as positive as possible both leading up to that time and then also while you're going through that time, and just the idea that because I think a lot of people fall into this is going to be horrible.

Speaker 3: 24:46

You know, I'm I'm worried about what this looks like, but if you come from a place of just being a support and being a strong foundation and, like Dr Sands was saying, there area lot of people that will find the strength for their animals that they can't find for themselves, and just keeping that, those types of thoughts, at the forefront of their mind, it's amazing how much their animals will respond to that Like, even on a day to day basis, of they're going to have diarrhea again. It's like, okay, let's try to change that narrative and come into this with a more positive thought, because there's no harm in doing that, and how much of an improvement they'll have without changing anything else.

Speaker 3: 25:27

So it's simple, but it's really.

Speaker 3: 25:29

If we all are able to change our mindset and I completely resonate with the fact and I am guilty of this I will go to the ends of the earth for my dog.

Speaker 3: 25:39

It is a lot harder for me to motivate myself to do that, and I have found the same with my clients, and I think anxiety is a really great example of that.

Speaker 3: 25:47

I have quite a few patients that I've managed for anxiety and I can only get them to a certain level of improvement and what is stopping it is their. Their human counterpart has to work on their anxiety management and creating tools for themselves, because if they can't create a peaceful environment for themselves, it is so challenging to help their animal get to where they want them to be. So even really simple things like if you have a stressful day and you're coming home and I've started doing this for myself and I've noticed a huge difference take the time to find some sort of tool that you can use before you enter the house and then bring that energy to your animal that's been waiting all day to see you. It's just the little, the subtle changes that we can make that you know, and it ends up being beneficial for us too, and everyone in our environment. It's not just our animals, Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 26:39

Absolutely, absolutely. I had a client of mine who came to me in my integrative practice because her dog, her little dog, was having. She was diagnosed with chronic pancreatitis and she was having vomiting and not eating and issues. And so you know, when she came to me getting a deeper dive into the history, the dog was bonded to the husband first and she the husband was very ill and he had kidney cancer and the dog was with the owner day in and day out, before, even before he died, and this it was a three-year-old dog. When I met her and this little dog, she, in our work up that I did with her along around her historical chronic pancreatitis, I offered an abdominal ultrasound let's start with the ultrasound and see what's going on in there and her pancreas was perfect. However, her kidneys had a lot of architectural changes to them, even though her kidney enzymes were normal, and I attributed that in this three-year-old dog, in my way of thinking, was that had some kind of link to the to the husband that she was so bonded to, with his kidney disease, even though it didn't manifest as an outward disease in her. So so the husband did pass away and now the dog is now bonded to mom and mom is terribly distraught about her, the death of her husband, and so she's doing a lot of grieving and crying and and in the process of of working together the dog we switched his diet, we got him on a better food source, we got him on some supplements and nutraceuticals and Chinese herbs and acupuncture and she was doing great. She was doing great.

Speaker 2: 28:38

And then mom would come and and into an appointment and I'd say how are things doing? She goes, you know she's doing great. However, she has this intermittent vomiting that she still does and I really couldn't understand where that, like why that was a factor. And so I asked her what she was doing during the times that the dog was vomiting and because I know that she was very upset with her husband and mom realized that there was a connection between the times that she would cry and grieve and worry about her husband, that all of a sudden the dog started having vomiting issues. And then her and I started working together on having her manage her stress and her grieving and just tools and tactics of how to, you know, manage that better and maybe not in front of the dog, and that kind of thing. And then you know, I don't know, I hadn't. I didn't hear for her for months and then, like four months later, she just calls me to check in and I said how is everybody doing? She says everything is great. You know, she stopped vomiting. I'm much more balanced, I'm grieving differently, I feel better about my husband and so it was a.

Speaker 2: 29:51

It was the pivotal moment, like you were saying, when mom really embraced her healing that the dog is was better, you know, and in other realms you know, the dog would be on chronic medications, right, you know, and pharmaceuticals for the vomiting and the not eating. And you know, and it's just and it was it's. There's an endless cycle, and so I think that when we start really, you know, not not taking on any sort of blame or shame around the aspect of how we relate to our animals, but it's an opportunity to have them be maybe some reflective mirrors for us to say what is it that I need to work on for myself and how can I be, how can I be the best person or the best version of myself that I can be?

Speaker 3: 30:41

I think the other thing that's fascinating about that example in particular is in traditional Chinese medicine there's a certain emotion that's associated with each organ system, and the gastrointestinal system is associated with worry. So the fact, the idea that you know that dog was so concerned with the emotional experience that their human was having and that that manifested in GI disease, it's such a real example and I think I've. I don't I haven't shared the story here and I'll make it very brief, but my own dog the reason I got into integrative medicine is she developed inflammatory bowel disease, and I say that in quotation marks because when she developed her illness, I was going through a lot of mental health issues. I have zero doubt who then that was connected, and I had to go through a lot of guilt with that once I realized it. But it is.

Speaker 3: 31:32

It's been so healing for me to identify that and then be able to share that with other people and watching her improve has been motivation for me to continue to push myself. Oh yeah, it's just yeah there. We're so lucky to share our lives with them, but that's why it's also so important for us to be open minded and although this is so outside of what we're conventionally taught. There's so much truth and healing that we can all all of us, we can globally find in this for ourselves, and if our animals have to be the motivator for that, then it's just another thing for us to thank them for.

Speaker 2: 32:11

Yeah, absolutely. And you know we have to be remember that there's a reason why these animals come into our lives. You know, we, how we get them, where they show up. You know, did we get them at a pound? Did we get them? Did we find them on the street? They found us. Like there seems to be this, this finding of each other, and there's always a reason why you're in a relationship with the animal you're in and it's nothing to be like oh, I feel so bad that I gave you my disease. It's really not about that, because that animal who showed up in your life knows that there's some sort of bonded contract that two of you are going to explore and so there's no judgment around that. That needs to happen. It's an opportunity for healing on all levels and different levels. You know, and there are some dogs that will.

Speaker 2: 33:09

You know, I had a client who was head lymphoma and she was. She had two treatments. She was in remission, out of remission, and then she was back in remission and then she was starting to come out of remission again. And just when she was starting to come out of remission, her Labrador got lymphoma and he took that on for her because he, you know that was their relationship and she kind of had this understanding. She was a very open-minded client and you know, we were able to have spent another two years with this dog and we didn't even do any chemotherapy.

Speaker 2: 33:52

It was all. You know integrative medicine and energy work and you know certainly supplements and you know those kind of things to help augment that. But I think it was also her attitude that really helped. You know, and on the flip side, if we have an animal who was diagnosed with cancer and the owner is completely destroyed by that, you know, then every single day they're going to look at their dog and say, oh my God, you have cancer and I'm so afraid I'm going to lose you and you know, I don't know how I'm going to live without you. That dog will hear that every single day, you know. And those dogs don't survive as long. Basically they live on peeled-off animals that go fast, right? I mean you probably experienced that in your patients as well.

Speaker 1: 34:44

I tell my clients, who you know, when I've had some of my clients who had cancer, or I recently had a dog very similar, who was in the ER for five or six days with IBD, and every day I would visit him and I would say, like you are so strong and you are so healthy, I can't believe how strong you are and I would you know. And you are you. I just continue. It kind of sounds very Stuart Smalley from Saturday Night Live, but it's very much, you know, it's very much just putting the energy of healing and the energy of strength and the energy of love and the energy of optimism and I think it also gives us opportunities, because I think the other thing is you know how do we put this into practice on a daily basis for people that maybe are not as familiar with energy medicine.

Speaker 3: 35:38

So one of the things I'll share and it's very simple is whatever your personal process is for preparing your dog's food, whether it's just, you know, putting something into a bowl maybe it's a little bit more involved. You know if you're warming things up or adding supplements or what have you but to just take a moment and center yourself, take a deep breath and literally just have thoughts of positivity and gratitude for the few minutes that you're spending in preparing that food and then offering that to them, because I truly do believe that energy is transmuted, and through whatever vehicle or vessel that we're using, and I think the Masuro-Amoda water experiments, for me and for people that are really science-y minded, is a perfect example of that. Like Dr Sands was saying, everything is energy. So you share that small opportunity for those who might not be familiar with that experiment, would you?

Speaker 1: 36:36

mind sharing with the listeners what that experiment was.

Speaker 3: 36:39

Yeah, yeah, dr Sands, do you want to, or I can. You probably do it better than me.

Speaker 2: 36:50

Well, you know, dr, you know there's. Well, yeah, I don't know if I do better than you, but there is that beautiful water experiment by Dr Imodo Masuro yeah, did I say that? And he did. Took pictures of water crystals and how they formed in relation to phrases or emotions like you are beautiful, I love you and versus I hate you, you're ugly. And he took pictures of polluted water from rivers and took pictures of that, and they show this disgusting distortion of this muddiness, of what it looked like. And then there would be a blessing on the water to put love and beauty back into the water. And then he would re-take a picture and would find that the water would start to transform and crystallize, and it looked like these beautiful snowflakes. And every different emotion has these different patterns that are beautifully intricate. And so then, the take home message around that was, you know, being that we're 70% 80% water by nature and actually 99% of our molecules is water based, so we're a lot more water than H2O than we know. If we can crystallize the inside of us with these beautiful patterns, by these thoughts of wellness, love, beauty, you look in the mirror and you say I love you, you're beautiful, your cells will change. They will look like those beautiful snowflakes and then you start to glow and you radiate and people see that. When you're in a good mood and you wake up in the morning and everything's going right and you go out, people see that and they'll recognize the shininess around you and this glowing radiance. And it's just because you feel beautiful, you know, and you don't need someone else to affirm your beauty. You know, obviously, especially in the face of your dog. Your dog thinks you're beautiful all the time. You know, no matter what they think, you're the most beautiful and that you smell the best, even if you smell the worst. They love the way you smell. You know, and just to find, you know I agree with that it's finding the little tools you know that make you feel elevated. You know, and in the process of mindfulness and blessings of the, say, the foods that you're feeding your dogs. I think that's a beautiful example of that.

Speaker 2: 39:33

And laughter, to incorporate laughter in your life, because when we, when we laugh, there is an instant shift in our physiology towards healing. It just can't, it can't help it, it just does that. And it's so easy to laugh with animals, you know they're silly and they're just ridiculous. Sometimes it's just even the mishaps are just funny, you know, and if we focus on that, like every day, you know there's there's so much possibility for wellness to happen and it's so easy. That's the thing. It's super, it's, it's a very.

Speaker 2: 40:13

The solutions are, you know, I guess it's, it's simple, simple solutions that aren't always easy, you know, like, like laughing. I have a. I have, I have this pictures of of people laughing, people and animals laughing that I just have on my computer and and I and I look at it and I swear like if I stare at that long enough and it's not, it could be just like 20 seconds I'll start to laugh. Just because I'm looking at all of these little faces that are laughing and I'm I'm imagining the sounds that are coming out, and then I just start laughing. Yeah, so it's, it's, it's easy to do that, do we know, is there any?

Speaker 1: 40:56

science, that should that shows whether dogs actually laugh. I mean, I can look at, I can. I have dogs that I know are goofy and they're being. It seems like they're being goofy to make me laugh. Do we know? Do we know that if dogs can like have, have something, can laugh or do something similar to that, or they know they're being funny, do we know any of that? Yeah, I feel like I mean there's.

Speaker 2: 41:23

I think. So you know, intuitively I'm going to say yes because you know I've had, I've seen dogs like do something silly, and they kind of know that they've done something silly. You know they kind of stop and then they look and then they like like they catch themselves and I don't know, maybe we're like anthropomorphic sizing, you know, like putting our selves onto that. But I think if, if you, you could tell if you're in, if you're in the midst of your family and everyone's laughing, you can see the energy shift in the in the animal. You know they get all excited, they get silly. They may grab a toy and run around and like they're in the moment, you know, versus everyone's yelling. And if everyone's upset they have a whole different demeanor. You know most of the time it's they're more quiet and sometimes they'll bark. You know I've had my dog yell at me. It's like he's telling, like stop yelling Totally.

Speaker 1: 42:20

Yeah, that's interesting thing. So they're just when we're laughing and you're, and your dog starts even being goofy, or he's possibly just picking up on your, picking up on the the healthy energy that's happening and wants it to keep, wants it to keep going. So that'll be my next podcast episode. Do dogs laugh? How do we? How do we know if they have a sense of humor or not?

Speaker 2: 42:38

Or, how do we really?

Speaker 1: 42:39

have a sense of humor.

Speaker 2: 42:42

Right, and how can you make your dog laugh? There you go.

Speaker 3: 42:45

Well, I think also, dogs are social animals, right? So naturally they have developed probably a lot better kind of inter communication than, for example, cats that are more solitary and are opportunistically social. So I think, you know, do they experience, I don't know, like laughter or happiness is probably hard, but I think if we make it more a general term, we would all agree they experience joy and I think we all you know, even us individually probably have a different definition of what joy is for us, but just just kind of general feelings of positivity. I think the other really important thing to keep in mind for energy medicine and a lot of what we're talking about is this is accessible for everyone. You know, of course, if you go to an energy practitioner, yes, there's going to be a cost associated with that, but if you are someone who is trying to do the most with what you have, really all that takes is time and dedication and being aware. So it's really something that is available to everybody to incorporate on a daily basis.

Speaker 2: 43:53

Yeah, I think that the challenge comes into play when you're so steeped in disease and it's so deeply rooted that it's hard to see that as a solution. Right, because you're so. First of all, you have a lot of information from other doctors by this time. You know, for instance, you may have a dermatologist or a gastroenterologist and your cardiologist, and you know your internist and everybody's giving you different image viewpoints and different medications. And now, all of a sudden, you're in a ton of medications and then you go see an integrative practitioner who's going to give you, you know, dietary changes and supplements and you know that you can't get into your animal because you're on too many medications and it gets really bombarded and difficult and very stressful. I think the end result is that the owner is really stressed at this point because there's just so much and they just don't know what to do and they just but they want the solution, they want their animal to be okay.

Speaker 2: 44:57

And I have met, you know, these people who are spending most of their waking life catering to their disease of their animals, and it may sound counterintuitive, but sometimes the best thing to do is just take a step back and see, envision a global wellness, right To have a lot of my clients go through a visualization process of imagining that their animals completely well, right and that their paralyzed dog is running on the beach and they're with them, you know. Or the dog that's, you know, having some skin issues is, you know, just perfect, like a perfect envisionment of this animal and really feel what that would mean, like it's just the same kind of process that we do when we're manifesting our own wellness journey. It's like we'll envision us, you know, dancing or jogging or climbing that mountain if we have back issues, right, and not getting caught up in the what if I can't do this, or what if this isn't going to work. It's more of this is me and this is me climbing the mountain, this is me jogging down the beach, and you create the feeling of what it feels like to be like that, that exhilaration, the joy, the freedom, the release, you know whatever that is. And then you can. You carry that vision with you wherever you go and even if it's in the morning, you could just do certain times before you go to bed. In the morning, when you guys wake up, you can go in this beautiful golden bubble of light and wellness and just imagine the two of you in it and create the wellness moment and then start your day. You know, and don't have an attachment to the what if this doesn't work, because I think that's a lot of it for us on our journeys is that we always have this fear that what if I'm doing is not good enough, what if I'm doing is not going to work, and what if I fail? It's like, well, what if you succeed? You know, what if it's great? What if you're happy? What about the other side of that coin that we don't like to always look at.

Speaker 2: 47:26

So you know when you, when you think about the healing phases, there's many levels. You know I like to call it, have a terminology it's called bio, epic healing and that stands for epic, epic, and we heal. We heal from the. You know bio energetic, bio physical, bio intelligence and bio chemical. So on every single level, you know we're going to address our healing.

Speaker 2: 47:55

You know the bio physical is is maybe getting massage therapies or rehabilitation. You know body work, the bio chemical is going to be the foods that you put in your system. You know, maybe the, the herbs and the supplements and the pharmaceuticals is needed. The bio energetic is going to be the things that we may use like music therapy or sound therapy or light therapy, even things like homeopathy. And then the bio intelligence is sort of that icing on the cake, where we are using our thoughts and our emotions to transmute the frequencies that are that are lending itself to the trauma. And you know, when you go through all of those levels, you know healing. Healing happens, it just does. You know we're designed for healing and we forget that. You know the body's designed for that and if we really embrace that aspect, it truly ends up being a win-win situation.

Speaker 3: 49:01

Yeah, and I guess along those lines, to like granting ourselves kind, like loving, kindness and just being gentle with ourselves, because knowing our own boundaries is important, like there are days that are going to be hard, and that's okay, and that doesn't mean that the next day is going to be, and, like you were saying, it's just really just do the best you can in every situation and that's enough.

Speaker 2: 49:28

Exactly that loving kindness is so important and just giving a little latitude to how you feel. Like you said, there will be good and bad days, and why? Because everything is a frequency. There's highs and there's lows. That's the nature of vibration and there's it's a polarity of those frequencies and the polarity is really a negative and a positive. And these negative and positive forces are there because they move around each other and they're not good or bad, or right or wrong. They're just this necessary energy that makes things move.

Speaker 2: 50:09

And we have to accept the good days with the bad days, because they will always cycle through. You know, and, and there's a balance. There's a balance there and, like you said, it's important to just, you know, be okay with ourselves and not be too hard on ourselves and not hard on our animals. And you know, and, and you know, not every animal is going to take on your disease. They won't do it. There is those that will be the rock and will stand there completely fine, because they're more of a soundboard. You know, every, every species has their own little way that they, that they resonate with the humans, and I don't think there's any accidents of what humans pick as a species, of a dog or, you know, a breed to show up in their lives Interesting, you know it's fascinating.

Speaker 1: 51:05

In alignment with that. We were talking about therapy dogs and I'm just curious if you have ever noticed in your practice that therapy dogs tend to have more like, carry on more disease than like an abnormal amount of disease. Like, what did they do with that energy? You know, if they, if they're taking on the energy of, of, of their owner who possibly is sick, where, how, how is that not manifesting in their body in some form or another?

Speaker 2: 51:39

Yeah right, and you know, I think about those kind of things and it's a great question and what I, what I think is happening is there's an understanding of the relationship from the beginning.

Speaker 1: 51:53

That gave me chills.

Speaker 2: 51:54

That the dog right that dog is is being trained and there's a relationship that is formed and an understanding and a sort of a contract to say, okay, I'm this, I'm this dog for you and I'm going to be of service for you because I'm going to help you function and so I can't, I'm not going to falter, that you know, and I'm going to, I'm going to keep that going and and yeah, I mean there are times I get I mean I don't work with that many like guide dogs or, you know, service dogs to have like this meta analysis collective of like thousands of cases. But it would be interesting to see you know how many of those, how many of those do get sick, because I don't, I think a lot of them don't. The ones that I see, it seems you know they come in with intermittent things that aren't really Disease.

Speaker 2: 52:54

You know, connected.

Speaker 1: 52:55

Interesting. That makes sense, Dr Linda. You had something before I interrupted you. You were going to say something. Oh, it's okay.

Speaker 3: 53:05

The only thing I was going to say is I think the other beauty behind the positive and negative going back to that is, without the kind of polarity it's hard to appreciate one without the other. So at least for myself, on those days that may be a little bit harder. I think it really allows us to relish in and very, really enjoy the good days, and that's something that I think is really important to apply to. You know, kind of senior geriatric times with our animals that we're sharing space with is. You know, they are going to age and we're going to get to a point where we do have to allow them to leave us. But really just enjoying every day and trying to be in the moment, I think that's one of the things that they bring more than anything is be here now. It doesn't matter what happened five minutes ago or what's going to happen tomorrow, just be present with them. That's all a lot of times. That's all that they want from us and we all need that, I think collectively so much.

Speaker 2: 54:10

So just to really lean into that, yeah, yeah, dr Liz, that's perfect, because that's so true. It is really the essence of being in that now, in that moment, the present moment, that mindfulness of that, because most of the problems that we experience are because we are focusing on the past and seeing the future with the lenses of the past, right, so we're even trying we're always trying to bring the past into the present, so that we're worrying about the future and we're never really here. And when you're here, there's never a problem, ever, because you're just here and you're doing what you're doing and you're, even if you trip, okay, so you tripped, and now you've recovered, and now you're walking again, right, and you're not going to not walk because you're afraid that you're going to trip again, or you're not going to envision falling because you've tripped before and now you don't want to do it in the present. It's like it gets all tangled, you know, if we just kind of let that go and be in the moment, and that's where the magic happens In quantum physics, if we want to bring that down to that is, there's this moment in time where these energies are at this perfect spot and where the intentionality of your experience manifests. And it's in that moment of pure presence and awareness, without a projection from a future or a worry into the future, from the past. They call it a scalar moment, where these frequencies are at this sort of this standstill moment and you can tap into that moment by just being in the present and sort of manifesting a wellness idea.

Speaker 2: 56:32

I don't know if I'm not really explaining this right. I'm sort of tangent in my own mind. I'm thinking about something else. It's like the moment where I call it being in the zone. I think everyone has always has some point in their life experience this, and I think it's mostly in sports. I think, right, if you, whatever you're playing, whether it's volleyball or basketball or tennis or soccer there's a moment in your life that you can recall one time where, right before you hit the ball, you knew exactly where it was going to go and it was either going to go into the basket or it's going to go into the goal, or you were going to hit that tennis where you just it's just perfect, perfect moment and you knew it before it even happened. You could have closed your eyes and had the whole thing play out. And it's that moment, it's the power of that feeling and that moment. That's where that magic happens, and I think the challenge is to get that back when we want it to happen and not when we're not really thinking about it. And you can practice that.

Speaker 2: 57:40

That's called going into coherence, and there's a physiological way to do that, and it starts with breathing and mindfulness and offsetting your fight or flight mechanism, getting your parasympathetic online and then connecting your heart with your brain. It's where your thoughts and your emotions are in alignment. You're feeling and thinking and doing the same thing. It's like standing in front of a pathway where you have a choice to go in one direction or the other, and your heart may be saying I should go to the left, but your brain is saying that looks a little sketchy. I should go to the right, and then now there's this disconnect because you don't know where to go. But if you followed your heart, your heart usually knows the better place to be. And then, if you can get your brain to sort of settle into the conversation of the heart, that's the conversation that your body has and that's when you're in sync with your physiology. And if you're always going down that road where your heart and your mind are in connection, usually you're on the right path.

Speaker 3: 59:02

And then I think one thing that would be really great for us to talk about is for people that are interested in exploring this more or in bringing this to their daily lives. Are there resources that you have found to be really helpful for some of your clients? Or, because I feel like it's such a broad scope like breathwork meditation there's so many ways to go about it how would you recommend that someone explore to see what works for them, because then that would resonate and benefit their animals?

Speaker 2: 59:38

Yeah, there are so many different ways and I find that when they're on their healing journeys, there are so many different people that are talking about the same thing but in their own specific way, and it's because everyone's going to resonate with someone else differently, like there's healings from, say, like, louise Hayes, bruce Lipton, joe Dispenza, tony Robbins, abraham Hicks. There's so many different conversations that are being had on so many different levels because everyone gets it differently. So for me, in a more of a sciencey kind of way, there's an Institute of HeartMath. If you go on heartmathorg, that's going to be my next question.

Speaker 2: 1:00:47

You could look at their videos and go online. There's a lot of research articles, but there's also a lot of little videos that will talk about how to go into coherence. But then there's no, that technique is not very different than just breathing. There's certain breathing techniques. There's all types of breathing techniques that we call the breathwork. There's numbered breathing, there's 444 breathing, there's 765 breathing. There's breathing in and out.

Speaker 2: 1:01:18

I think, at the end of the day, it's what fits for you and what resonates for you, because that is where it's going to make the most sense and then you're going to be able to follow that. For sciencey-minded people, there's a really good book called the Biology of Belief that Dr Bruce Lipton wrote and that starts kind of talking about the conversation about epigenetics and how your biology is. You're not a victim of that, so that's a more sciencey thing. All the beautiful books that are written by Joe Dispenza I really like him. You are the placebo is one of his books and it's like yeah, you are. Your thoughts are all manifest. So there's many, many.

Speaker 2: 1:02:12

I think people should just start going be open to the little signs that your life is showing you, because if you just put it out to say, hey, I want to learn more about spirituality. And then you pick up a magazine in the store and you open up to a page and there's a person and like, oh, what is that? So follow those breadcrumbs. I think that's the best way. Or say you're going online and you're opening up an email, or follow an idea that you have, if something just pops into your head oh, I want to learn about sound therapy. Or there's a song that's on the radio that resonates with you and like, oh well, that's interesting. What was that saying? What was that line? And then maybe taking that line that the God could be significant to something that you needed to hear at that moment. So what we find? That when we're in that place of stillness and our minds are quiet and we're in our hearts, what we find is there are synchronicities in our lives that seem to happen that we haven't noticed before, but we're noticing now, and that leads us on our little trails. I don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:03:42

There was one day I was looking, I was like you know what? I want to get? A book on energy medicine. I don't know who to go to, I don't know what I'm really looking for and I don't know. I was walking down the street and I wandered into this store. It wasn't even a bookstore, it was like it sold soaps and crafts and things like that. It was pretty and it smelled nice in there. And I walk in and there's two books in there that they're selling and one of them was this beautiful energy book. So I was like, oh, I'm going to buy this energy book and it was.

Speaker 2: 1:04:16

I read the book and it was. It was it's called Energy Healing by this elderly woman. She's 83 years old. She was her only book she ever wrote and I. On the back of the book there was a phone number if you wanted to contact the author. It was you know. So I, after I read the book, I had all these questions for her because she did a lot of energy healing remotely with her, with her clients, and I had this question about animals and humans and that's kind of where I started this journey. So I called this number in the book and she answered the phone and we started talking and she said it's. I never usually answer the phone, but I knew it was you.

Speaker 1: 1:05:07

Interesting I was like wow.

Speaker 2: 1:05:10

I was like okay. Okay, she says you have questions for me. And I'm like I do, I have questions. And so I started asking her these questions and so she started giving me these names. She gave me the names of Bruce Lipton and and and Joe Dispenza and Greg Braden. She said do you know these people? And I'm like not really you know. And she was like, well, you know not, you should know these people. And I'm like okay. So then I made it my mission to go investigate who they were, get get their books, read their books, meet them in person, you know. So that's kind of how my little bit of my breadcrumb journey, and you just never know. You just got to be open to receive the information and ask the question.

Speaker 3: 1:06:00

I love that because it's such a good example of following your intuition and having that in. It's not just always one person, but there's like one interaction or one person that you'll meet. That just sets you on the path that you were destined to go on anyway, and then to think of how many people you've now influenced to have that same experience. It's. It's just, that's so beautiful.

Speaker 2: 1:06:27

Yeah, and my journey is my journey. You know it's not everybody's journey and everyone has their own particular way, but eventually we all meet because the there's this ultimate truth of healing that happens, even though we all have our individual truths and our own individual realities when it comes to the essence of healing, honestly, I think the ultimate truth is love Me too. You know that's the energy frequency that heals it. All, you know, and especially when I do my shamanic healing practices, that's the energy that flows through. Is that the conduit. I'm just this conduit of energetic love and all I think about is healing. You know, I don't think about how I'm going to heal it or if I fail in the healing process. So what am I going to be thought of if this doesn't happen? Like there's, there's, no, I try not to put that negativity or any of the questions into the process, because it's not about me, you know. It's about the animal, it's about the experience, it's about the global wellness, and so I try to do that and I've, I've been pleasantly, I've been surprised at how well that works.

Speaker 2: 1:07:44

It's amazing when you just kind of let that stuff happen and flow, healing happens. We just have to, we just have to believe that it's possible and give her permission to do so. You know, and you have to be, you have to be ready to heal. You know, and some, and for some people, that's not, that's not what their purpose is. You know, it's not. You know, and there are some animals that will be very sick and they will die early, and there will be some people just like that, and that's okay too, you know, and not you. Just we could just offer what we know that can help and it's up to the individual to take that in. You know, you can't, you can't force healing.

Speaker 1: 1:08:27

You have to be open and willing and desire it.

Speaker 2: 1:08:33

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:08:36

Because we sometimes have certain attachments to like the negative ways that we're feeling right. So it serves a purpose for us. It keeps us safe, or it keeps us from expanding. It keeps us, you know, all sorts of things Right.

Speaker 2: 1:08:49

I know a lot of people yeah, I know a lot of people, who are sick and they are so comfortable in their illness that they don't even know what it would look like to feel. Well, it scares them, you know, because then they have a whole other, different level of responsibility, you know, and there's there's responsibility, there's accountability, there's you know all of that, and people just it's too painful or scary to go there, you know, and and that's okay, it's okay, like you don't. The whole thing is not to have judgment around that. And you know, bringing it back to your pet, just be in the moment, even if it's, even if it's a moment on a very dreary day, you know, and your, your, your dog just does something hysterically silly, because I don't really think a day goes by when a dog doesn't do something silly, something that makes you laugh, something that either is just so cute it makes you laugh, or something silly yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:09:49

Yeah Right, it's just I don't think there's one day that goes by that that's not a thing you know. So just take that moment and amplify it, you know, and that's going to bring a little bit of sunshine into your life and, whether or not you, you realize it, believe it or understand it, there's a healing that happens when that happens.

Speaker 1: 1:10:08

So appreciate this. It was just wonderful. I just can't say it enough. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2: 1:10:11

Oh, you're welcome, it was super fun.

Speaker 1: 1:10:20

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