The Baroo: A Podcast for Dogs and Their People
The Baroo: A Podcast for Dogs and Their People
From Neuroscience to Tail-Wagging Celebrations: Amanda Shaw's Journey into Dog Party Planning
There's a certain magic that happens when someone takes a leap of faith from a secure path into the unpredictable yet thrilling world of entrepreneurship, especially when it involves our four-legged friends. Amanda Shaw's story is one such tale, starting her journey as a dedicated student of neuroscience and emerging as a full-service event planner for the most joyous dog birthday parties. Listen as we navigate the intricacies of crafting the perfect canine celebration, weaving in the heartfelt narratives of support from loved ones and the emotional bond we share with our pets.
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Dogs make the best companions for humans. This podcast aims to help make humans better companions for their dogs. Welcome to the Beru podcast, a modern lifestyle podcast for dogs and their people. I'm your host, charlotte Bain. I've been caring for other people's dogs for more than 15 years and while I've learned a lot in my career, I definitely don't know it all. So I've collected an ever-evolving roster of amazing dog people and I learn new things from them all the time. Hi, you guys, thank you so much for joining me for this episode of the Baru Podcast.
Speaker 1:In today's chat, I am joined by Amanda Shaw, founder of the Bark Day Planner. Amanda shares her journey from leaving her background as a neuroscientist to finding her passion as a full-service event planner that specializes in creating incredible birthday parties for your canine companion. A little side note that since recording this episode, amanda had to say goodbye to one of her beloved pups, so our heart goes out to Amanda and her family as they navigate this difficult loss. All right, you guys, let's jump into the chat. I'm so excited to chat with you because you've kind of like switched up your life to offer something like super fun for pet parents, and also it seems like it would be a fun job to have. So you are an event planner for dog birthday parties, which is like so cute and I'm just so curious. What was the inspiration behind that?
Speaker 2:So the inspiration was. It all stemmed from our golden doodle Teddy. So that's what I figured.
Speaker 1:While I was in my PhD, we PhD.
Speaker 2:We grew our family pretty quickly Once we got married. We ended up with four dogs and the Instagram world started with creating a really fun Instagram for your pets. And, of course, we jumped on that bandwagon as being dog parents and we decided to throw one once we started doing more with the community and it just lit a fire inside of me. Um, it was kind of random, but it was super fun and I'm glad that it happened.
Speaker 1:What were you doing before you started throwing doggy birthday?
Speaker 2:parties. I was working in scientific research and then I started my PhD in neuroscience at UTMB in Galveston. When I actually got accepted, I received my acceptance letter, opened it.
Speaker 2:I panicked because I think I just knew in my gut it wasn't what I wanted to do, but it was there and it was long years, you know, hard work, all of that compiling into what you should do. And so I panicked and after working in the lab I would go, and I was an apprentice for a wedding planner. So I decided to start this little internship on the side and see maybe I should venture into this instead of accepting this next week. And I did not like weddings, it was not for me, so that was good, Um, but it was funny to look back on. I panicked, went and did something in the event industry and it should have been a sign. But it was really good to learn those different, you know, just lessons and everything throughout the three years that I was doing that.
Speaker 1:I love that and so, um, that's quite a shift from scientific research to party planning for your pup. How did, like everybody else in your life, respond to that? Were they pretty supportive?
Speaker 2:For the most part, everyone was supportive. I think there was a few that were just like question marks, like why, what is this? Like wait a minute, you're, you're leaving your PhD, that you're almost done. Like you're getting there. You know, you maybe have two years left. I say almost, you never know.
Speaker 2:But um, you're leaving that to go manage a doggy daycare and do dog parties, what Like it was just they were so confused. But once they understood why I was doing it and the logic and like how I set myself up to make sure I was still financially good with my stipend, I was getting from school and everything like that, it was like, okay, well, we understand it. I think my parents were a little confused at first, and then my husband. He was super supportive from the get go because I proposed it to him and so it was really good. But there were, you know, people in my science life that were very just confused and you know I don't really talk to them anymore and that's fine. We went on two different paths but for the most part everyone was supportive.
Speaker 1:Right, it's so fascinating. How so you think it's so it stemmed from your was the golden doodle, your first pup.
Speaker 2:No, my first pup is Lola. We just threw her, probably one of the biggest parties I've done. Um, she's obsessed with tennis balls and she's 14 and she is hopefully in full remission we're not 100 sure with her cancer. So, um, she was my first pup and we did small things like hey, everyone come to this brewery and we're gonna bring her cake and everyone can sit inside and hang out. But we didn't do it to the level that I had started kind of doing for our golden doodle, um, and so he was actually our fourth out of the four.
Speaker 2:He was the last one to kind of come in and, um, yeah, we just. It was his birthday and I decided to do something a little bigger and just invite random people off Instagram I had never met in my entire life. Bring your dog, come, hang out. And some of them became lifelong friends that I've been in their weddings and it's created a really, really awesome, just community of people that I know friendships, vendors, you know everything in between.
Speaker 1:I love that. It sounds so joyful it is.
Speaker 2:I absolutely love it. Everyone is like, why did you niche down so much, like you could do kids birthday parties and baby showers and graduation, like all these things, and I'm like, well, I just love animals. I always did. From a young age I thought I was going to be a veterinarian and I didn't know that there was all these other you know outlets in the pet industry or in animal care that you could do that were you know a little different. They just don't talk about that in high school and going into college and things. So I did science because that's what I was told. You know it's really great you have so many different options. You can be a PA, a nurse, scientific research, whatever. And so that's what I did because it was a good option and it just wasn't the right option for me.
Speaker 1:Right, I think that you know, I think that moving we didn't always have these opportunities. You know, in the pet industry it's just such a growing. It's such a growing industry now and so opportunities are all around us. And I mean, I didn't know I could make a living when I started my dog care business. It was really just kind of to give myself a break. I didn't quite know what I was doing.
Speaker 1:I wanted, I was an actress and it was just kind of supposed to be to kind of supplement. I loved animals, I want to spend all my time with my pup. But it blew into this whole full-fledged job and I was not, which I love and I'm so grateful for it. But I had no idea it could. It could do that Right, and I could, it could bring me so much joy and I felt I also felt a little bit of you know judgment, just kind of like wait, what are you doing? You're going off to work with dogs, you know, instead of you know going back to school and doing something else if you don't want to do the acting.
Speaker 1:No, no, I'm going to go spend some time with my dog and see how I can make that work. So I mean, the opportunities are there. First of all, I'm so sorry that your pup is had cancer and she, but she's looking good, she's in remission yes, so far, so good.
Speaker 2:We caught it in august. She had surgery immediately. What?
Speaker 1:kind of cancer.
Speaker 2:May I ask? It was um anal sac adenocarcinoma? Okay, you have a client who just said that. Yeah, yeah, it's a pretty aggressive one say, and it can move to the lymph nodes pretty quickly. We opted not to put her through chemo. Just with her age and her arthritis, we didn't want to put her through that. Plus, it's an hour drive from where we live to get to the oncologist and she hates the car. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, so it's so stressful yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, Going every other week and giving her the trazodone. She looks at me like mom. Why do I feel like this? And I just don't want to do that. So we opted for all natural options and herbs and she, she loves most of them. She gets them daily and she's been doing great. She just loves to play ball. Um, she gets them daily and she's been doing great. She just loves to play ball, run around and hang out and sleep and get her peanut butter yeah, that sounds good.
Speaker 1:That's about it. My dog has started picking that. He goes through periods of times where he'll eat his herbs, but then he's now. He's now in the phase where he starts picking all of them out of his food, like all of the supplements she does. Does that with. Yeah, I don't know. Are you there?
Speaker 2:I think I lost you there for just a little bit. We have some pretty bad weather coming through, so I don't know if it's it's been crazy, I know, and technical difficulties.
Speaker 1:All the things are happening right now.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:It's always something. So I'm so curious, like what was so when you were planning someone's birthday party for someone's pup? What are some can you share, like some of the? Well, let's start with just what are the some of the basics. When it what, what is a birthday party for a pup look like? When someone, if someone, what one of my listeners is just thinking like I'd like to plan a birthday party for my pup, but what does that actually mean and what does that look like?
Speaker 2:Can we talk a little bit about that, definitely so a lot of my clients. They'll find me a lot of times for first birthday parties or big milestones, so they reach out to us and I like to do a free consultation call just to get a better idea of what their vision is, what they're wanting, so the process can be easy when planning for them. The biggest thing that we typically talk about is venue, because a lot of times like, say, for my client coming up at the end of April, he's not mobile, so we need an indoor venue that's got either some grip or, if we can bring in turf grassing, things like that. Plus, it's Texas, so the weather is really really fun and chaotic. So having some indoor, outdoor venue options is really nice for my clients. But venue is always a top choice that people are like I really need to know what venue options you offer.
Speaker 2:Of course, the cake if they have any allergies. We always go over those before I reach out to my vendors to make sure that we don't have any issues with treats or the cake or different things like that. And then we'll also talk about activities, because keeping them, you know, mentally stimulated and enriched and having some fun things for them to do, whether it's a ball pit or a ball launcher, or doing some arts and crafts, where they make their own portrait with, you know, little canvas and paint, and they look at peanut butter.
Speaker 2:Even just some fun cup cups for the humans to kind of decorate, take a cute photo of them, let them dive in with either some coconut whip or regular whip, whichever they prefer, just those fun things. And then also on the other side, we'll think of some things for the humans. Do we want to have some human games for the guests to play? Do they want to have some drinks or possibly an open bar, sandwiches or cupcakes, a cake for them to everyone. But of course the pup is the biggest, you know, concern. We want to ensure that they have everything they want. And then we go into themes. So the themes is something that I love because I want to bring the personality out from the pup. So if they love something or have a meaning behind their name, anything like that, I want to know. So I can try and incorporate those aspects, especially if they don't have a theme already picked out. So I can give them like three to five options on themes and just let them envision which one works best for them and their pup.
Speaker 1:I love that. This is so sweet. Have you had any like um Any just wacky requests?
Speaker 2:I've had a few.
Speaker 1:Okay, If you don't mind sharing. We don't have to say names, but I would love to know some of the wacky things that people request for their pups and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So some wacky stuff. I would say one of the funniest things recently was, um it's. It goes back to the theme selection. Sometimes they're not thinking about how this could be incorporated into a theme, but they just are like I'm obsessed with it. Um, so one of the pups has an emotional support stuffed broccoli that he takes everywhere. I know.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I love that so much and emotional support stuff. So that's his, that's his like little stuff, animal, but it's a broccoli yes.
Speaker 2:And it's in shape of broccoli, and so that was what she put down as the theme, and I just remember being like how am I going to make an entire broccoli party? How am I going to do this? Like it's? How am I going to do the balloons? How are we going to make the entire broccoli party? How am I going to do this? Like it's? How am I going to do the balloons? How are we going to make the cake? Like?
Speaker 1:can I?
Speaker 2:make it look like a broccoli head. You know what I mean, um. So I gave two options. We could do all out broccoli, figure it out, make it cute. I started doing my mood board and everything, um. Or we can do farmer's market and incorporate a lot of broccoli aspects. And so we went with the farmer's market. It's super cute. Do some broccoli veggie boards for the humans just to snack on, and then, of course, incorporate some really fun balloons that have the different shapes of different vegetables and all that fun stuff. So sometimes it's funny when I get the inquiries because people are like I just know I want this, but I don't know how to say it, so I just want broccoli, and so it's really funny.
Speaker 1:My dog would love that, because my dog loves broccoli, so he'd be all over that.
Speaker 2:Right, it's so funny that he likes broccoli.
Speaker 2:It's so weird, yeah, and you were going to say another one, um, another one would probably be, um I'm trying to think back to a few of them Um, just the things and this might seem outrageous to other people because of the money cost, right, but videography, having a videographer there because, honestly, a lot of these parties for my clients are about memories.
Speaker 2:They want to keep the memory of their pet with them forever and, yes, photos are great, but if you can look back on that video in 10 years and just have that moment where they're still happy and healthy and having a great time and everything is about them and you're celebrating the life that you get with them, that's one of the biggest things. So I don't know if it's outrageous or wacky, but it is something that other people I had someone say it to me this weekend people spend what for a dog party and it's like you know what. They spend it for their kids why not for our kids? Because a lot of my clients can't have kids, right, or they opt not to for whatever personal reasons or at this moment in their life, right, and so it's. It's a special moment that I think is really really special having videography or even just photography. It's really great to have those precious moments just captured into you know a document you can open up and look at whenever you want.
Speaker 1:I love that I was just actually thinking like I have, you know, thousands of photos of my dogs and of my own dog and and all of the and and of my clients. But I have. I was just thinking I have very few videos of him, um, and as he's aging, um, I was just lit literally just thinking that I needed to take more videos of him because just to capture, you know, his movements and the little looks that he makes and all of those little things you know so. I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 2:I love that I always take like cute little videos while they're sleeping and my husband thinks I'm crazy. I don't know if I told you but we have seven dogs. Oh my gosh, you have seven.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, what kind of dogs Are they all rescues? Or are they just all a hodgepodge of different dogs? A?
Speaker 2:hodgepodge of everything. I love it. Some of them are rehomed, some are rescues, some are just from the pound. Both of our first ones. Yeah, just a little bit of everything. Both of our first ones. Just a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1:And they all get along pretty well, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:They're all spread out pretty well, where you've got your seniors and then the almost seniors and then we've got one that's just kind of he's in between he's about to be five, so he's just there and then the two younger babies that are three and two, so they just kind of pick their bestie andie and play and have their you know favorites. I feel like the one that's the rescue. She went through three other homes before us so she's taken a long time to adjust. I think probably last year was the first year. She's like rolled over let us actually give her a belly rub and like been more vulnerable with us, not sleeping in a curled position by herself. Um, but she, she doesn't I. I sometimes say we should have let her live with my mother because she would totally love to be the only dog. Yeah, yeah, but besides suey, everyone else loves one another. Yeah, she's like a cat anyway, so she just just does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she likes she just likes to keep to herself yeah, absolutely. Um, what was my next question? Oh, do you have? Have you ever had a dog? Like when, when you're throwing the birthday party, just kind of be like what the hell is this Like? What are we doing?
Speaker 2:Yes, I've had the birthday pup kind of look like that at first, yeah, um, yes, I mean sometimes it is a lot. At the party we have just this past weekend, for reference, there was a dog that came and she was super sweet, really great. She was the first dog with the birthday pup and so they knew each other. But then once other dogs and people started arriving, you could tell she would stick with mom she was a little nervous, nervous had a little bit of you know the salivation, just nervous in general.
Speaker 2:And I asked her yes, I told her mom. You know she asked me is she okay? Do you think she's fine? I'm like you know. She just is overstimulated with the environment. There's new people, there's new place smells treats dogs. There's new people, there's new place, smells treats dog. It's definitely something that happens quite a bit, especially when they first walk in. They're like what is this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're like and is this about me?
Speaker 2:Yes. Or when you sing happy birthday and they're standing over there or they have their cake in front of them, they're like am I supposed to lick this? Can I yet Like what's going on? And then there's others that are just like I know this whole day is about me and they run in and they're having a blast and they're jumping in the pool and all that fun stuff. So it's funny to see the differences.
Speaker 1:Those are your labs, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, or the Goldens man they love water, my sister's pup.
Speaker 1:Every time you would sing happy. He thought every birthday was about him because he got cake one day on someone's birthday and so anytime he would hear the song happy birthday he would immediately think it was like he was going to get some cake and it was his time. It was so funny.
Speaker 2:I love that it was so cute, yeah, all of my dogs know the word cake, especially our bird, and when they would go to work with me and daycare, we would have daycare parties, you know, monthly, and so they would bring out the cake and they would say that word a lot. And so if he is being stubborn and not wanting to come inside, I'll just have to yell do you want some cake, sanford? And he comes barreling in the house. It's hilarious, that's so cute.
Speaker 1:Is he like? I'm sure is he like your little assistant.
Speaker 2:No, he's a big goober, he's just a mess. I would say Lola's probably my best assistant. She's just the best all around. You know those ones from the pound that you have no clue what they are, but they're just the best, that's my guy, yeah, yeah, he's my little assistant for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so sweet. So do you do jokes? Do you do what happened guys?
Speaker 2:sorry, that was a huge crack of thunder. I don't know if you heard that I'm sorry no, I heard something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you went in and out a little bit. Oh, so is it. Is it about to storm?
Speaker 2:yeah, right now. It's been storming all day pretty much here it's supposed to come through and be pretty bad today and tomorrow, unfortunately I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1:And are the pups okay? Did so they? So they heard this. Do any? Do they all do okay, thunder? Because I know that's a big trigger for a lot of pups.
Speaker 2:Most of the time. Yeah, suey is just. She likes to alert because she doesn't know what it is. So that's her. But Lola used to be the worst with her cancer and now, being on this CBD oil, her hearing is going a little bit, so she's fully asleep right now.
Speaker 1:I can see her. She is out, not even moving at all.
Speaker 2:Everyone else could care less. Half of them are asleep right now, everywhere, wherever they are. So, thankfully, but fireworks are horrific. For our about three or four of them, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 1:They're scary for all of us.
Speaker 2:I know and we live. I guess it's like fireworks city out here. I don't know why. I guess it's like firework city out here, I don't know why, but it's like huge stands where people go and buy them for every holiday. Sure, it is like what to turn the music on. Yeah, give them some calming treats. Yes, it is real fun for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's hard. That's all those things are hard for pups, yeah that's hard.
Speaker 2:All those things are hard for pups. So do you offer just in Texas or do you do? Like virtual planning and stuff like that? So if anybody around the country wanted to talk to you about you know, get on the phone together, pick out a theme design. I'll send you over a full recap. But also, once we figure out that theme and everything, we create a shopping list for you. So it's clickable links. Click them. They're from a lot of places that we love to purchase or items that I use personally at all of our parties for our clients and they're just really great, and so we'll tailor it to the theme, the colors, the design. And then they also have an option to have a secondary call where I can help them the day of with setting up or anything else that they might need, depending on where they're at in the planning process and how far out they have before their party.
Speaker 1:That makes sense, that's great, that's so cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you think is the biggest joy that this brings for you, or the biggest lesson that this has brought you, this complete change in? Well, you've been doing this since 2018 now, so it's been quite some time right. So it's been quite some time right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it has. It wasn't like my full-time job up until 2022. I stayed with the pet resort for four years and absolutely loved it, but knew it was my time to go and do this full-time because I couldn't do both. I was getting exhausted, I bet yeah.
Speaker 1:Working with dogs is still a job.
Speaker 2:Even though it brings a lot of joy, it still is a lot of hard work it is, and my favorite place to be is in the middle of the path with 20 to 30 dogs just having a blast. That's my favorite. People thought I was crazy. I remember when I actually interviewed for the job, they looked at me and they were like, well, we have a couple of positions at our front desk and I was like, oh okay, I really wanted to be hands-on, I really wanted to be in daycare and like the look that they gave me when I was interviewing.
Speaker 2:They were shocked and I'm like I do.
Speaker 1:That's where I want to be.
Speaker 2:Um, and so it was really, really awesome. But I think the biggest thing that I've learned throughout this um, this big change in career and everything in between, is just it's never too late to do something you love or to follow that crazy passion that you think everyone's going to judge you for. Because if I had stuck it out, I know that I would have been miserable. I would have been mentally checked out half the time, mentally exhausted. I don't even know what I would have done afterwards, so many of my peers had a plan. They were going to go to a postdoc at a different university, or they were going to go into pharmaceuticals or maybe the sales rep or whatever it was, and I never had an answer for anyone.
Speaker 2:I wasn't sure, and so for me it was just finally finding what I wanted to do and then just going for it. It was the scariest thing I've ever done in my entire life, but it was. I look back on it now and I'm like this was the coolest thing I could have ever done. It was just so much fun.
Speaker 1:Did you feel like there was a? You know you were being pulled in that direction A little bit, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2:A little bit. I think if we hadn't immersed ourselves in the community and started going to some of the community events, I probably wouldn't have, and so it's funny to say that, like creating an Instagram for my dogs is how I got pulled into this. But this day and age, with everyone Sure.
Speaker 1:That sounds crazy now.
Speaker 2:Loving their dogs. And then, of course, you know just the difference in how pets are in our lives and in our families now is just so drastically different than it was even just five years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, side note, how many people are usually at these parties and like how many dogs does it. Does it vary or do you have like a limit or yeah, it varies pretty drastically.
Speaker 2:honestly, I've had up to 38 dogs and then one to two humans per dog. That was there and then I've had it where it's literally just the dog that we are celebrating and then all of the humans, because obviously I have to take into account like, how are they in crowds? Are they comfortable with other dogs?
Speaker 1:That was going to be my next question.
Speaker 2:Because some of our venues they are outdoors and they completely fenced in, but it's in the middle of Dallas and people can be walking kind of nearby and so if they're reactive that's probably not the best venue for them, things like that. And so once they book we have a questionnaire and we do all these fun things just to make sure, because, with my background managing the pet resort and managing the daycare beforehand, you know, was able to give me a lot of those great tips and just understandings of what we need to do for our dogs to still make them comfortable while we're celebrating them.
Speaker 1:And create a safe space for the people and for the dogs.
Speaker 2:I always say safety and fun go hand in hand. I used to tell my clients that at daycare and I always tell all of them on the call when we have it. We have first aid kits for the dogs, first aid kits for the humans and ironically we've only ever had to use it for the humans because of something silly like stubbing their toe or things like that.
Speaker 2:Grabbing their collar and they ran so fast that it like pulled their finger, you know, and all of that stuff. But when it comes to like serving the cake, for safety, we hand it to the parents and allow them to either feed it to them by hand or take them to a corner, and or we might just box it up. If the dog's not eating it because they're just overstimulated, they can take it home and enjoy it for dinner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this whole conversation is bringing me joy. Just even talking talking about this, I can see how it's so great for you.
Speaker 2:I am it's so much fun. Honestly, like the people who are skeptics, there was one at my party this past weekend.
Speaker 1:He was like man oh really, I've never had a party like guest yes, I've had almost at every party.
Speaker 2:Um, he was like man, this party party is better than any party. I've had that balloon arch. I've never had one like that. And I looked at him and was like, come back to me at the end of the party and tell me what you think. Because, we do stay to help monitor and restock and just do all of that for our clients. But he laughed and afterwards he was like man, I'm gonna have to hire you to do my birthday next year, I'm just laughing because they are skeptical, like this is for a dog, like why are we doing all this?
Speaker 2:And then once they like see that the dog's just having a blast, you get to hang out. You know people are assisting you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a lot of fun, it's for everybody, it's for the, it's for the pet parents just as much as it's for the dogs. Definitely, yeah, yeah, oh, that's so sweet. Well, amanda, do you have anything else that you want to share?
Speaker 2:I don't think so. I think we covered a lot.
Speaker 1:I think we did too. I hope you guys stay safe in this storm and I so appreciate you having this chat with me. This is really sweet and really fun, and I will put a link in the show notes, obviously, to the work that you do if anybody wants to get in contact with you to help them plan a sweet birthday. What do you call them? A bark day party?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we say bark day a lot now I almost feel like, because saying potty sounds so weird.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, potty, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:My business coach. She says it sounds like you're pottying.
Speaker 1:The word potty Like a potty potty.
Speaker 2:And so ever since she said that, I get self-conscious and I'm like okay, birthday party, you know, just say it normal, yeah, that makes sense yeah. But this was great. Thank you for having me on. Hopefully it's just a bunch of rain and nothing else crazy, but yeah, north Texas weather is very fun and interesting.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you, Amanda.
Speaker 2:Of course, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the Baru podcast, as always, if you enjoyed the episode, please don't forget to rate and follow us wherever you listen to podcasts. You can also follow us on Instagram at Baru podcast. As always, if you enjoyed the episode, please don't forget to rate and follow us wherever you listen to podcasts. You can also follow us on Instagram at Baru podcast. And if you have a story of can companionship you'd like to share with me, or you have a question, a suggestion or even a comment, I would love to hear from you. You can email me, charlotte, at the Barucom. All right, you guys, let's chat soon.
